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christhrasher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:34 pm 
 

What do you guys think of this band?

i personaly dont know how to clasify them as.. maybe some phsycodelic alternative metal? i dont know.. but i think they should be resoected in the metal scene..

what do you guys think?

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IdiotFlesh
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:37 pm 
 

Lateralus is a fantastic song.

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FuneralDeity
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:38 pm 
 

Never did understand the appeal. Though I'd rather listen to an entire Tool album than 1 second of a nickelback song.

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lennonlikesmetal
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:46 pm 
 

I like the band, but i think you'll find this is the wrong forum to discuss them. The Tavern had a Tool thread a few weeks ago.

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Shawnathan_Mory
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:52 pm 
 

christhrasher wrote:
What do you guys think of this band?

i personaly dont know how to clasify them as.. maybe some phsycodelic alternative metal? i dont know.. but i think they should be resoected in the metal scene..

what do you guys think?


Progressive Alternative Metal

They are apart of the first generation of 'Hard Alternative' (1984-1993)


Swans
Sonic youth
Faith no more
Big Black
Janes Addiction
Living Colour
Ministry
Soundgarden
Nine Inch Nails
Godflesh
Helmet
Prong
Fugazi
Alice In Chains
GWAR
Smashing Pumpkins
Type O Negative
Clutch
Rage against the machine
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:55 pm 
 

I've never been a fan of their whole style in general.
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OneRodeToAsaBay
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:04 am 
 

Shawnathan, that's a real hodgepodge of bands to group together under the same banner.

Never cared for Tool, but then again I honestly never gave them much of a chance.

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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:17 am 
 

Guys...we JUST had this thread like a week ago.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=61465
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lord_ghengis
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:35 am 
 

Alt Rock, maybe with a hint of prog.

I like Lateralis, that album is overall pretty damn solid, other than that, meh.
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7IHd
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:38 am 
 

christhrasher wrote:
but i think they should be resoected in the metal scene..

......really???
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nightoftheghouls
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:04 am 
 

Extremely overrated and bland band just like radiohead

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PriestofSadWings
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:07 am 
 

I've never really given Tool a fair listen, probably because they resemble a proggy Alice in Chains, and I don't like AiC. For all I know they could be a great band, but that style of singing is a real turn-off for me.
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elf48687789
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:31 am 
 

They have elements of gothic and industrial, I suppose metal and prog too, without being strictly any of those styles. Alternative is more of an umbrella term and a marketing tool.

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Thrasher67
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:50 pm 
 

Lateralus is a great moder/n album. If all alternative sounded like TOOL, the world would be a better place.

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7IHd
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:59 pm 
 

elf48687789 wrote:
They have elements of gothic and industrial, I suppose metal and prog too, without being strictly any of those styles. Alternative is more of an umbrella term and a marketing tool.

Gothic??? Really? In what songs? And I don't think industrial really applies to any of their songs in a significant way. Please explain how/where you feel they have these elements in their music.
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hellhammer161
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:04 am 
 

My friend is really into them and talks about them a lot. I respect them and they're a pretty good band. They have crazy use of rhythm and timing which i like a lot. It's fun for me to figure out what time signature they use for each part. lol. Vicarious is an awesome song by them. I have yet to hear more stuff from them though.
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elf48687789
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:09 pm 
 

7IHd wrote:
elf48687789 wrote:
They have elements of gothic and industrial, I suppose metal and prog too, without being strictly any of those styles. Alternative is more of an umbrella term and a marketing tool.

Gothic??? Really? In what songs? And I don't think industrial really applies to any of their songs in a significant way. Please explain how/where you feel they have these elements in their music.

I meant more like a feel, I wouldn't classify them strictly as any of those styles.

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7IHd
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:26 pm 
 

elf48687789 wrote:
I meant more like a feel, I wouldn't classify them strictly as any of those styles.

I can't say that I understand how they even feel like any of those styles.... Any explanation or any examples of songs where you actually "feel" any of these styles?
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elf48687789
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:37 pm 
 

For example the beginning of "Vicarious" has a gothic feel, or the song "Sober", which also sounds industrial at times with that rhythm, but not industrial enough to be classified as such.

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Chaos_Llama
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:28 pm 
 

We did just have a thread about this. But I'll say again, I'm a big fan, and they're the best live band I've seen yet.

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7IHd
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:25 pm 
 

elf48687789 wrote:
For example the beginning of "Vicarious" has a gothic feel, or the song "Sober", which also sounds industrial at times with that rhythm, but not industrial enough to be classified as such.

I can see a bit of what you mean in Sober having a very slight industrial influence due to the distorted bass line, but I really cannot see at all what is gothic about Vicarious....Not saying that you don't hear it, but it seems a bit tenuous of a connection at best...
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Satanic_Shoe
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:54 pm 
 

I don't get the hype over Tool. At all.

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7IHd
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:10 pm 
 

Satanic_Shoe wrote:
I don't get the hype over Tool. At all.

Good input.
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LOLORDx
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:29 pm 
 

7IHd wrote:
Satanic_Shoe wrote:
I don't get the hype over Tool. At all.

Good input.

i agree with him

they were my favorite band in junior high

that says enough right there

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Crypt666
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:46 pm 
 

I've always loved Aenima. Never was able to listen to any of their other work.

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7IHd
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:16 pm 
 

LOLORDx wrote:
they were my favorite band in junior high

that says enough right there

Some people love Mozart in junior high. Doesn't mean there's nothing more to like other than the surface stuff when you get older. I'm not saying Tool's the greatest, since they're far from it, but they have brilliant lyrics, quite a good vocalist, and a decent rhythm section with the drums and bass. It might no longer be something you're into, and there's no problem with that, but the logic in your above statement is highly fallacious.
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LOLORDx
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:48 pm 
 

7IHd wrote:
LOLORDx wrote:
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they were my favorite band in junior high

that says enough right there

Some people love Mozart in junior high. Doesn't mean there's nothing more to like other than the surface stuff when you get older. I'm not saying Tool's the greatest, since they're far from it, but they have brilliant lyrics, quite a good vocalist, and a decent rhythm section with the drums and bass. It might no longer be something you're into, and there's no problem with that, but the logic in your above statement is highly fallacious.

well i was going for a laugh more than anything else

but i know what you're saying

i can recognize that they have talent, but they really are not my thing at all

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7IHd
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:13 pm 
 

LOLORDx wrote:
well i was going for a laugh more than anything else

but i know what you're saying

i can recognize that they have talent, but they really are not my thing at all

Ahh, my bad. No problem with some laughs. Just seemed like a poor reason to write them off otherwise, though.
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DrOctavia
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:26 pm 
 

Tool are a pretty cool band; I find their music oddly soothing and nice to chill out to. Their fans can be pretty infuriating though.
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SatanSkin
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:10 pm 
 

Shawnathan_Mory wrote:
christhrasher wrote:
What do you guys think of this band?

i personaly dont know how to clasify them as.. maybe some phsycodelic alternative metal? i dont know.. but i think they should be resoected in the metal scene..

what do you guys think?


Progressive Alternative Metal

They are apart of the first generation of 'Hard Alternative' (1984-1993)


Swans
Sonic youth
Faith no more
Big Black
Janes Addiction
Living Colour
Ministry
Soundgarden
Nine Inch Nails
Godflesh
Helmet
Prong
Fugazi
Alice In Chains
GWAR
Smashing Pumpkins
Type O Negative
Clutch
Rage against the machine
Primus
Tool
White Zombie
Life of Agony


Swans is industrial, so is Godflesh and White Zombie. Where the fuck did you get this list from???

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Tool are a pretty cool band; I find their music oddly soothing and nice to chill out to. Their fans can be pretty infuriating though.


Whenever I say I don't like Tool on any forum/chatroom/internet event, I am always responded with "You have the worst musical interests in the world." I am sorry that I don't listen to the most musically fascinating band, god forbid I have an opinion on something!

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Eurnonymous
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:52 pm 
 

a couple years ago, i used to be a huge fan, and to the point i spent more than i care to list to go see them live, although it's the closest you'll ever get to the Pink Floyd experience these days. amazing live show, the sound sounded better than the cds themselves.

i actually prefer their latest album overall to anything that they've done, but Aenima and Lateralus have some really good songs themselves. Rosetta Stoned is fucking epic. i don't care as much for their straight up alternative rock sound they had on Undertow or that EP or whatever they released after it. Aenima is where they really start with me.

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Forbinator
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:44 am 
 

I have to say I am quite the fan of Undertow and Ænima, and this is quite significant for me, since these are the ONLY two non-metal albums I own or ever listen to. Tonight I've been listening to Ænima, and came here hoping I might find a Tool thread, and was pleasantly surprised to see one on the first page.

From what I've heard of Opiate, it sounds like more standard alt rock music and kinda boring. They really developed feeling and proper song structure on Undertow and Ænima. The instrumentation is complex and keeps my attention as the riffs/tunes develop, and the singer is very talented and has a good range. Sometimes as the riffs warp and develop over the mid-paced rhythms and slightly odd drum beats I get a kind of mystical feeling that I would feel throughout a Burzum album.

I heard some parts of Lateralus, and it suffers badly from Opeth syndrome. Soft acoustic or synth parts thrown in for the sake of it, as opposed to actually developing a song as they did previously, and recycled riffs and ideas glued together to form excessively long "songs". I think most people here who have been listening to music for a long time, can tell when a band has lost inspiration and is going through the motions. Also something is wrong with the vocals, as they develop the pop music tendency of using a husky voice close to the microphone to try to sound "sexy" and adopt a teenage, nasal sound like the Placebo douchebag (he is an extreme example though).

I didn't bother to listen to anything after Lateralus.

I don't really care about the genre classification argument, but if song structure is given weight then Tool just about fits in the metal category. Probably the riffing style is the most pertinent characteristic though, and it resembles a kind of psychedelic rock style more than a metal riffing style.
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