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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:42 pm 
 

Government procurement is a big deal in markets where the government is a substantial player in overall market share, which is not the case in the US auto market. The federal government buys 30-40k vehicles a year, exclusive of military procurement (not covered by this executive order). Nor are those purchases made, "en masse." They're parceled out piecemeal from dozens of agencies operating to dozens of different sets of requirements and specs. There is zero chance that federal government procurement policies for aggregate purchases of 40k vehicles are going to set priorities in an industry that sells more than 15 million light vehicles in the US every year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:58 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
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You mean like how the capitalist states use access to driving privileges as a carrot and stick to control and limit the lives of poor people? Like the way they use "driving without a license" as an excuse to kidnap people from the streets and throw them in jail where more money can be extorted from them? It's weird to me how you are more afraid of the hypothetical abuses of state power that you invent in your head than the actual, existing abuses of power happening right in front of your face. It's almost like you use "liberty" and "freedom" as an excuse to defend a status quo you personally benefit from.

I have seen the marvelous socialist traffic in the Soviet Union first hand. It was highly efficient, with only a few cars on the streets, and nobody needed the fabulously free healthcare after collisions, because exactly nobody was left lingering after a crash, that much I can guarantee. At those speeds and with those driving skills, with the vehicles there, they all died immediately, probably by being vaporized. Of the places I've visited, Istanbul comes close, and yes, I very much prefer the current system here... even taking into account that Finland is the world leader in extorting that very same money from poor people only speeding just a little. I happen to like myself and my kids breathing, for example. But hey, utopias are nice places, eh?


I took a proficiency test, which was inexpensive, gained my license to drive. I pay my car tax, which is inexpensive. I can therefore drive within the rules of the road and various other laws, most of which pertain to safety. I'd hazard a very well educated guess that in the UK, those driving without licenses aren't some imagined set of 'poor oppressed victims of the system', they are people banned for driving intoxicated, causing an accident, driving an unsafe vehicle, or simply never actually passing that proficiency test, and so on.

Does passing that test & having that little pink card in my wallet give the government any opportunity to track or otherwise bother me going about any kind of journey ? Nope.

Does that opportunity exist in a scenario with the setting up rental agencies that I'm required to use because private ownership of transport has been abolished ? Yes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:02 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/us-pauses-saudi-uae-arms-sales/index.html

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The Biden administration has paused arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates as it conducts a wider review of agreements worth billions of dollars made by the Trump administration, sources familiar with the matter told CNN Wednesday.

Secretary of State Tony Blinken confirmed that pending arms sales are under review, as is typical at the start of a new administration, "to make sure that what is being considered is something that advances our strategic objectives, and advances our foreign policy."
He did not reference any specific sales or countries in his remarks, which were made at his first State Department news conference as top US diplomat.

The move to freeze the pending sales to the Gulf allies could signal a change in approach by the Biden administration after the Trump administration approved major sales in the last months of its tenure


I have no faith in the Biden administration or any other American ruling class clique to truly do the right thing and cut off the most brutal allies of the United States from access to the tools of destruction, but this pause at least provides an opening to apply pressure to the administration to do the right thing. This is not a Left issue. This is not a Right issue. This is not a "Center" issue (whatever that might be). Whether you are a leftist opposed to US imperialism in all its violent manifestations, a small government conservative tired of obscene welfare handouts to brutal foreign dictatorships and giant military-industrial concerns, or simply a person of goodwill who wants to see an end to the worst humanitarian disaster on the planet, this is an opportunity to raise your voice and speak out against your tax dollars being put to use to murder innocent children and civilians. Stand up and FIGHT BACK!


Big ol’ upvote for this post :thumbsup: Sure, you can come up with different political reasons to oppose peddling weapons around the globe, but those reasons shouldn’t even be necessary. Just not wanting massive death is a basic human response.
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Curious_dead wrote:
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All the finger wagging going on around here about centrists is so over the top, ridiculous.


The whole American politics terminology is fucked up. "Liberal" is used for someone on the left, "socialist", "marxist" and "communist" are used interchangeably and to describe anyone left of Hitler, there are "centrists" that would fall squarely on the right elsewhere, "libertarians" that support a police state or even a monarchy (Liberty Hangout anyone?) or are otherwise "Republicans+Weed" (or more rarely, "Republicans+child porn"), Joe Biden is decried as a radical leftists by his opponents on the right, "republic" doesn't mean a democracy (useful when you want to defend your politicians' fascistic rules that disenfranchise voters...), when it suits them "Nazis" are far-left, mask mandates are "communist", Republicans try their hardest to make MLK and other Black icons into "modern Republicans" (i.e. they want to have their black friend to show they're not racist). In such a mess, how do you really define a "centrist"?

There is a lot to blame on everyone for this mess, but the past decade has been terrible. Words have lost their meaning. People only speak in hyperboles. Someone disagreed with you? You're victim of "cancel culture". Your source of news is "fake news". Your disobedience towards COVID rules is equivalent to Black people fighting segregation, your refusal to wear a mask is equivalent to Rosa Parks, your
redneck uprising led by Bison Boy is your 1776. Everything is 1984.

It's like 1984 (eh - see above) and Idiocracy had a baby.


You said all of this a lot more eloquently than I ever could have and I agree with all of it.

It’s a total fucking mess and EVERYONE is responsible for this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:15 pm 
 

Methuen wrote:

I took a proficiency test, which was inexpensive, gained my license to drive. I pay my car tax, which is inexpensive.


It might be "inexpensive" for you, but it's not a trivial cost to poor people. Neither is insurance.

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I can therefore drive within the rules of the road and various other laws, most of which pertain to safety. I'd hazard a very well educated guess that in the UK, those driving without licenses aren't some imagined set of 'poor oppressed victims of the system', they are people banned for driving intoxicated, causing an accident, driving an unsafe vehicle, or simply never actually passing that proficiency test, and so on.


Did you know that what you "imagine" to be true and what is true are not the same thing.

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Does passing that test & having that little pink card in my wallet give the government any opportunity to track or otherwise bother me going about any kind of journey ? Nope.


You're aware that the every modern vehicle has a GPS unit in it, right? The government can obtain any information about your travels in your car that it wants, just like it can pull the pings between your cellphone and the towers, just like it can monitor your social media and your communications metadata, just like it can check its interlocking networks of closed circuit cameras. It takes a special kind of ignorance to think personal automobiles represent some kind of shield from government surveillance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:33 pm 
 

In Europe, anyone possessing the financial means to drive a car has the financial means to get the licence and insurance. Methuen is 100% correct there.

If your opinion of a good system is one that bypasses licences and other means of proving one can drive a car, as well as insurance of any sort, and also rejects the idea of any sort of penalties if damage is caused... well, for once, it leaves me speechless. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:05 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
In Europe, anyone possessing the financial means to drive a car has the financial means to get the licence and insurance. Methuen is 100% correct there.

If your opinion of a good system is one that bypasses licences and other means of proving one can drive a car, as well as insurance of any sort, and also rejects the idea of any sort of penalties if damage is caused... well, for once, it leaves me speechless. Good luck.


My idea of a good system isn't one based on the assumption of private automobile travel. My idea of a good system is one that doesn't essentially require a car to earn a living. My idea of a good system is one that doesn't take away a person's ability to support themselves financially for crimes of poverty like unpaid child support and parking tickets. My idea of a good system is one where public transit is a available and works for everyone. My idea of a good system is one that doesn't mandate the transfer of the money of working people to for-profit insurers.

None of this is an argument against licensing, it's an argument against car-centric society and the criminalization of poverty.
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A country that won't work to improve its citizen's life standards is a fucking failure, regardless of the political stance. My belief is that US is a country where corporations are absolutely more important for the overall bureaucratic system and its rulers than is citizens, in a way too disproportionate way. A country that spends trillions of dollars in weapons and leave their retirées and poor citizens at his fate is a country that MUST be reformed, if not, built completely again.

No matter how much people in US use political terminology at random, most of them accept or support the brutal and inhuman capitalism that rules there, even if the social breaches are wider and wider every day. There's a cultural sense of "save yourself, it's not my problem" thing that goes against even fucking human nature. Tribes were formed to survive and collaborate, taking care of every member of it. Today we are just near each other due geographic and economic reasons, but the government AND the very same citizens do their best to fuck up each other and to aid/support each other the less as possible. If some valueless mob is asking too much, you can always send them to jail or use the cops to kill them. Prison is exclusive for the poor. The rich buy their passes to do whatever they fucking want and get away with it.

This is something that MUST change, the sooner the better.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:49 pm 
 

EldritchSun wrote:
A country that won't work to improve its citizen's life standards is a fucking failure, regardless of the political stance. My belief is that US is a country where corporations are absolutely more important for the overall bureaucratic system and its rulers than is citizens, in a way too disproportionate way. A country that spends trillions of dollars in weapons and leave their retirées and poor citizens at his fate is a country that MUST be reformed, if not, built completely again.

No matter how much people in US use political terminology at random, most of them accept or support the brutal and inhuman capitalism that rules there, even if the social breaches are wider and wider every day. There's a cultural sense of "save yourself, it's not my problem" thing that goes against even fucking human nature. Tribes were formed to survive and collaborate, taking care of every member of it. Today we are just near each other due geographic and economic reasons, but the government AND the very same citizens do their best to fuck up each other and to aid/support each other the less as possible. If some valueless mob is asking too much, you can always send them to jail or use the cops to kill them. Prison is exclusive for the poor. The rich buy their passes to do whatever they fucking want and get away with it.

This is something that MUST change, the sooner the better.

Huge upvote for this one. It's pretty clear that America has some big issues, and they're only going to get worse unless we do a reform.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:57 pm 
 

Gotta say that I love how all of the responses to "what will you do for personal transportation" require city living. Kinda explains most of the opinions on the board.

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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
You're aware that the every modern vehicle has a GPS unit in it, right? The government can obtain any information about your travels in your car that it wants, just like it can pull the pings between your cellphone and the towers, just like it can monitor your social media and your communications metadata, just like it can check its interlocking networks of closed circuit cameras. It takes a special kind of ignorance to think personal automobiles represent some kind of shield from government surveillance.

You're that those features are optional on most current car models, and that they can be removed overall, right? It takes a special kind of ignorance to not only assume that most people would want to give up the freedom of personal movement, but to ignore that only higher income earners can afford vehicles with such features at this current moment.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:12 pm 
 

GPS is built into every single modern vehicle, what is optional are the subscription services that allow you to make use of them for navigation, crash reports etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:19 pm 
 

acid_bukkake wrote:
Gotta say that I love how all of the responses to "what will you do for personal transportation" require city living. Kinda explains most of the opinions on the board.


1. Public transit is entirely feasible outside of urban centers if you're willing to invest the necessary resources.

2. That said, car-centric population distributions are inefficient and unsustainable, and in the medium to long run, the relocation of the vast bulk of the population to the urban centers will be necessary anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:23 pm 
 

Sure do gotta love that "everybody needs to live where I say they need to live" mentality. Can't see why folks don't get on board eith the PSL. At all.

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GPS is built into every single modern vehicle, what is optional are the subscription services that allow you to make use of them for navigation, crash reports etc.

And it can be, quite literally, removed. Just like any other piece of your vehicle. Or do you think that modifications to motor vehicles are impossible?
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acid_bukkake wrote:
Gotta say that I love how all of the responses to "what will you do for personal transportation" require city living. Kinda explains most of the opinions on the board.

I thought it was pretty obvious we were talking about car bans within city limits...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:33 pm 
 

acid_bukkake wrote:
Sure do gotta love that "everybody needs to live where I say they need to live" mentality. Can't see why folks don't get on board eith the PSL. At all.


Sure do gotta love that, "My right to do anything I want to should supersede the right of everyone to live," metality.

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And it can be, quite literally, removed. Just like any other piece of your vehicle. Or do you think that modifications to motor vehicles are impossible?


No, really, it cannot be. They're built into the computer systems that control the operation of modern vehicles.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:04 pm 
 

acid_bukkake wrote:

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
GPS is built into every single modern vehicle, what is optional are the subscription services that allow you to make use of them for navigation, crash reports etc.

And it can be, quite literally, removed. Just like any other piece of your vehicle. Or do you think that modifications to motor vehicles are impossible?

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My car is 13 years old, doesn't have a satnav / GPS / digital radio / USB ports or any other 21st century computer tat outside of the EMS. It does have a relatively efficient engine, and easy to replace consumables, which makes up for an awful lot. I'm going to keep it until it dies and I can afford something electric, which seems sensible to me.

I'm sure that oppresses someone somewhere - maybe the car sales class ? People's Front for the Liberation of Discount Dave the Used Car Salesman ?


But to get back to my remark - I love the idea of the car-free society, I really do. I walk, take buses, take trains where I can. Great for the environment (and for me) in a massive way. I'd just like to such a change happen more broadly without more avenues for professional arseholes to make my life more difficult, fit me into their marketing models, generally spy, and so on - which again, seems reasonable to me.

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I'm all for protecting the environment so we'll do what we have to. But personally I really love driving my own car. One of my favorite things - just get in the car and go. But we'll have to start looking more critically at it... I live in a place with a basically shit public transit system. There'd have to be a great amount of transformation to get it on track to stop using cars so much.
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Despite what I said previously, I don't think a car-free society is likely anytime soon. However, I'd hope to see a massive reduction in number and use. On my street, we have household with more than one car per driver. For instance, my neighbour has two kids too young to drive, one SUV, one van and one car for him and his wife. Another has one company vehicle (pickup truck) and they have two cars; two adults, no kids. I've literally seen someone use their car to go to the convenience store 100 meters away, and back.

To me that's totally crazy, not only just from an environmental perspective, but how the fuck do people pay for three cars and think that's reasonable? It's not just three times the price, it's three times the maintenance, tires, wear, and so on. And like I said, it's a place where transit is decent when you need to go to "hubs", like schools, industrial sector, downtown, etc. I don't believe all these people work so far from these hubs...

Also, I don't think it's realistic to expect small towns and far away places to have any kind of decent transit system. It should be an option anywhere, and many, many cities could do better if they wanted, but not everywhere.

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Curious_dead wrote:
On my street, we have household with more than one car per driver. For instance, my neighbour has two kids too young to drive, one SUV, one van and one car for him and his wife. Another has one company vehicle (pickup truck) and they have two cars; two adults, no kids. I've literally seen someone use their car to go to the convenience store 100 meters away, and back.

I don't know what town you live in where people are that obsessed with cars, but I can assure you that it isn't this bad in my area.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:40 pm 
 

Methuen wrote:
But to get back to my remark - I love the idea of the car-free society, I really do. I walk, take buses, take trains where I can. Great for the environment (and for me) in a massive way. I'd just like to such a change happen more broadly without more avenues for professional arseholes to make my life more difficult, fit me into their marketing models, generally spy, and so on - which again, seems reasonable to me.


I don't disagree with any of this, but these are problems specifically of capitalism. Your problem is with capitalism.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:43 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
I'm all for protecting the environment so we'll do what we have to. But personally I really love driving my own car. One of my favorite things - just get in the car and go. But we'll have to start looking more critically at it... I live in a place with a basically shit public transit system. There'd have to be a great amount of transformation to get it on track to stop using cars so much.


I love to drive, too. It has always been a release. I've lived in the country half my life and prefer it markedly to city life, but the way America in particular functions, and the way the most developed capitalist powers generally function to a lesser degree, is totally unsustainable and is killing the fucking planet (which is still the only one we got).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:46 pm 
 

Curious_dead wrote:
Despite what I said previously, I don't think a car-free society is likely anytime soon. However, I'd hope to see a massive reduction in number and use. On my street, we have household with more than one car per driver. For instance, my neighbour has two kids too young to drive, one SUV, one van and one car for him and his wife. Another has one company vehicle (pickup truck) and they have two cars; two adults, no kids. I've literally seen someone use their car to go to the convenience store 100 meters away, and back.

To me that's totally crazy, not only just from an environmental perspective, but how the fuck do people pay for three cars and think that's reasonable? It's not just three times the price, it's three times the maintenance, tires, wear, and so on. And like I said, it's a place where transit is decent when you need to go to "hubs", like schools, industrial sector, downtown, etc. I don't believe all these people work so far from these hubs...

Also, I don't think it's realistic to expect small towns and far away places to have any kind of decent transit system. It should be an option anywhere, and many, many cities could do better if they wanted, but not everywhere.


I don't think that a car-free society is anything like an immediate possiblity, anymore than "full communism" is. These are processes that are going to take time, but we have to start planning and working toward a future that isn't constructed like the present, or we'll run out of time first.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:27 pm 
 

Slater922 wrote:
Curious_dead wrote:
On my street, we have household with more than one car per driver. For instance, my neighbour has two kids too young to drive, one SUV, one van and one car for him and his wife. Another has one company vehicle (pickup truck) and they have two cars; two adults, no kids. I've literally seen someone use their car to go to the convenience store 100 meters away, and back.

I don't know what town you live in where people are that obsessed with cars, but I can assure you that it isn't this bad in my area.


There are more passenger vehicles (sedans, SUVs, mini-vans, etc) than adults in the US, so it makes sense to see at least one vehicle per adult. I understand the arguments for going car-free, at least in cities, but this country has basically as much of a car culture as it does a gun culture. I'm wondering how people will react when self-driving cars become the norm. I'm hoping there are some incredibly realistic VR driving games out there that can satisfy people's love for getting behind the wheel, because people will definitely miss it.

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Definitely don't think semi-autonomous vehicles are going to be a thing any time soon, unless we started phasing them in by having roads only designated for them. Then that'd be a possibility. But putting them on the roads with humans, who are incredibly unpredictable, is a setup for failure. That said, I like going places in my car, not driving. I wouldn't mind semi-autonomous vehicles at all. Never got that high from being at the wheel going bat out of hell. Fastest I ever went was 110 mph once when I was 18 as a sort of bucket list item. Bout had a fucking panic attack after I did that :lol:.

It'd be nice if a lot of urban centers went car free. They just cause a lot of problems, and a lot of cities were simply not meant to handle them.
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cars are bullshit. Suburbs are also bullshit. Cars obviously have some uses- I wouldn't be able to surf without them, i use them to lug music gear around, but cars have destroyed cities. Lethal for children, old people if they get hit. Car parks are the ugliest shit in the world, and a tiny bit of time on google earth will show how prevalent they are in cities. Horribly polluting. Expensive as fuck- yeah it gets you from a-b quickly, but what's the point when you labour endlessly to pay off the loan, to pay the fuel, the rego, the upkeep? Bad for your posture. Cars make you a more isolated, individualistic, entitled asshole.

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you gotta remember Amsterdam was a car heavy city 50 or so years ago. It can be changed.
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What's that quote?

"a developed country is not where the poor drive cars, but where the rich take public transport". With proper planning, cars get obsolete for day to day stuff very quickly.
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On another subject, politically related. I think after the events of the last two days with Gamestop/Nokia/AMC/etc, we are finally going to see congress come together and push some regulation on financial firms. The fact that robinhood and the other vendors shut down trading on specific stocks because of 'volatility concerns' is the absolute proof in the pudding that the entire stock market is rigged towards billionaires and institutional investment. I knew 0 dollar commission fees were a scam from the getgo, and this just proves it. When all the vendors are so dependant on Hedge funds and instutional investments for their revenue that they become servants to their needs, the game is rigged.

And yeah, I bought nokia this morning. I'm down and could give two fucks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:31 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
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I'm all for protecting the environment so we'll do what we have to. But personally I really love driving my own car. One of my favorite things - just get in the car and go. But we'll have to start looking more critically at it... I live in a place with a basically shit public transit system. There'd have to be a great amount of transformation to get it on track to stop using cars so much.


I love to drive, too. It has always been a release. I've lived in the country half my life and prefer it markedly to city life, but the way America in particular functions, and the way the most developed capitalist powers generally function to a lesser degree, is totally unsustainable and is killing the fucking planet (which is still the only one we got).


I think the best we could do would be just investing in more bikable/public transport types of areas while the cars would be needed for some longer trips - unless someone's gonna offer up a nationwide rail. All of this type of shit is a long way off. But maybe if we get more new people in there it'd happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:15 am 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
On another subject, politically related. I think after the events of the last two days with Gamestop/Nokia/AMC/etc, we are finally going to see congress come together and push some regulation on financial firms. The fact that robinhood and the other vendors shut down trading on specific stocks because of 'volatility concerns' is the absolute proof in the pudding that the entire stock market is rigged towards billionaires and institutional investment. I knew 0 dollar commission fees were a scam from the getgo, and this just proves it. When all the vendors are so dependant on Hedge funds and instutional investments for their revenue that they become servants to their needs, the game is rigged.

And yeah, I bought nokia this morning. I'm down and could give two fucks.

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It's the ultimate irony seeing these hedge fund CEOs get up in arms about this. They've made insane amounts of money over the years from "playing the game" and this time a bunch of regular people on Reddit played it better than them. Steve Cohen was convicted of the largest insider-trading conspiracy in history, yet retail investors on Reddit are the problem?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:16 am 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
On another subject, politically related. I think after the events of the last two days with Gamestop/Nokia/AMC/etc, we are finally going to see congress come together and push some regulation on financial firms. The fact that robinhood and the other vendors shut down trading on specific stocks because of 'volatility concerns' is the absolute proof in the pudding that the entire stock market is rigged towards billionaires and institutional investment. I knew 0 dollar commission fees were a scam from the getgo, and this just proves it. When all the vendors are so dependant on Hedge funds and instutional investments for their revenue that they become servants to their needs, the game is rigged.

And yeah, I bought nokia this morning. I'm down and could give two fucks.



I like your optimism but I'm rather inclined to see it going the other way. I'm expecting an efficient and brisk bipartisan effort to protect hedge funds and to ensure that gamestop can never happen again.

Happy to be proven wrong! God, it's been beautiful watching it go down.
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I'm with caspian. I'm almost 100% certain the only legislation to pass in the wake of this will be legislation regulating and restricting retail trading, and hedge funds will be allowed to continue doing what they always do to the detriment of the country.
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I don't know about in the US but in the UK the public transport system is decent enough, but cripplingly expensive to use. My in-laws are 301 miles away door to door and it's literally cheaper to buy a car than it is to get the train there. That's the main thing holding back public transport here - peak travel to London works out at over a pound per mile, trips up north are 3 figure sums, there will be no wider adoption without curbing costs to consumers by any means possible.

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Tangentially related to US politics; someone always swings their arms around during the US election handover process, hoping that the world police will be too self-absorbed in flag waving & won't notice - this week it's everyone's favorite cartoon villain refusing to recognize political realities;

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"We are seriously telling those Taiwan independence forces: those who play with fire will burn themselves, and Taiwan independence means war," Chinese defence ministry spokesman Wu Qian said at a press conference on Thursday.

He also defended China's recent military activities, saying they were "necessary actions to address the current security situation in the Taiwan Strait and to safeguard national sovereignty and security".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55851052

And on this weekend's British government offer for British Nationals in HK to escape - they're deciding to play at voiding their travel documentation, which is straight out of the tinpot dictator playbook.

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On a query about the change to UK citizenship rules for BNO-eligible Hong Kong residents from 31 January, China’s foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian on Thursday said: “China has repeatedly stated its position on this issue.

"The British side, in breach of its promise, has chosen to obstinately and repeatedly hype up the BNO passport issue to interfere in Hong Kong affairs and China's internal affairs. This will only end up hurting its own interests.”


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-hong-kong-british-passport-bno-b1794566.html

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Slater922 wrote:
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On my street, we have household with more than one car per driver. For instance, my neighbour has two kids too young to drive, one SUV, one van and one car for him and his wife. Another has one company vehicle (pickup truck) and they have two cars; two adults, no kids. I've literally seen someone use their car to go to the convenience store 100 meters away, and back.

I don't know what town you live in where people are that obsessed with cars, but I can assure you that it isn't this bad in my area.


It's not like this in the whole city, but there are streets like that where people have more cars than common sense. It's a nightmare in winter when they have to park their pickups and vans and SUVs in the street that is filled with snow. There's a house in particular that's multi-generational, and they have like the grand-father, the parents, and all three adult/late teen kids, almost each has their car! It's just so fucking mind-boggingly stupid. I get that they have money (it's a house twice as big as anything else on the street), but come on, who needs six cars? What happened to teens/young adults having to borrow a car from their parents? I'm not even sure they're that rich, they just spend all on their cars...

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Curious_dead wrote:
Slater922 wrote:
Curious_dead wrote:
On my street, we have household with more than one car per driver. For instance, my neighbour has two kids too young to drive, one SUV, one van and one car for him and his wife. Another has one company vehicle (pickup truck) and they have two cars; two adults, no kids. I've literally seen someone use their car to go to the convenience store 100 meters away, and back.

I don't know what town you live in where people are that obsessed with cars, but I can assure you that it isn't this bad in my area.


It's not like this in the whole city, but there are streets like that where people have more cars than common sense. It's a nightmare in winter when they have to park their pickups and vans and SUVs in the street that is filled with snow. There's a house in particular that's multi-generational, and they have like the grand-father, the parents, and all three adult/late teen kids, almost each has their car! It's just so fucking mind-boggingly stupid. I get that they have money (it's a house twice as big as anything else on the street), but come on, who needs six cars? What happened to teens/young adults having to borrow a car from their parents? I'm not even sure they're that rich, they just spend all on their cars...

I'm pretty sure they owe the bank more money than America owes China money.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:01 am 
 

Haha, maybe. Or maybe their father works at a used car dealership, I really have no idea, but they love their cars. At least two if not three of the kids have personalized license plates.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:19 pm 
 

I'm entirely on board with the idea that the USA and Western Europe are a bit too enamored with their cars, and that public transportation (even between cities, towns and villages) should be revived, but cars definitely have a purpose, because there are sometimes paths that you want/need to take that aren't "logical". I mean, public transportation lines aren't created out of nowhere, they're supposed to bring people to work and back home, to allow them to go shop, and to reach other transport hubs (like a bus line leading to the local train station). But if you want to go visit your friends or family, there isn't a guarantee that there's going to be a convenient way to go there. Or you may want to go camping in a national park. Or you may want to go for a ride around scenic villages and natural landscapes. And then, you'll need a car.

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yes that's true, but in that case there should be other car-sharing solutions, public rental cars or whatever. that would definitely be steps in the right direction. private car property, especially the way it's largely practiced in the US, is way too much in so many ways.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:23 pm 
 

And it's also one of the last ways one can be truly self-reliant. I'll drive my car across the country before I take a bus, train, or plane, thank you very much.

And if I have a medical emergency in my household? I'm more likely going to get to the hospital quicker with my personal vehicle than I am an ambulance, since I won't need to take the extra time for the emergency services to reach my home.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:36 pm 
 

So, the Qanon Shaman did a face turn and will testify against Trump?

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